And now, back to the usual posts about misery, destruction and idiot callers.

On of the most irritating events in the world for us call takers (and believe me, there are a lot of events that irritate us) is the phenomenon of the Interrupter. Picture this: some kind of emergency is going on, and a helpful, sensible person has called 999. You’ve explained to them that someone will arrange help while you ask a few questions, and they’re calmly giving you the information you need.

Now enter the Interrupter. The Interrupter will invariably wrestle the phone from the original caller, and without giving you a chance to get a word in edgeways, will pompously bellow at you: “High Street! Outside Tescos! We need an ambulance here now. You need to get here fast! This is an emergency!” A really, really unhelpful statement, since you got the address (including which High Street and where Tescos is) two minutes ago, you know they need an ambulance because you work for the ambulance service and they wouldn’t be calling you otherwise, you figured it was indeed an emergency when the first caller told you a guy had been hit by a bus, and strangely enough, ambulances tend to get to places fast by virtue of the fact that they drive through red lights, on the wrong side of the road, etc. Do they think that you are going to send a “slow ambulance” unless they request a fast one? If you are lucky, they will follow this up with a lecture about how you are incompetent, wasting time and how they are going to put in a formal complaint about you. After that, they invariably hang up, which in a way is a good thing, because it prevents us being able to answer back in a knee jerk way that really would give them something to complain about.

Anyway, a prime example of The Interrupter occurred the other day. It was the early hours of the morning and some kind of drama had occurred, resulting in a 32 year old man being stabbed. We get loads and loads of stabbings, most of which are just a nick in the arm with a dinner knife, but I could tell straight away this one was serious. The girlfriend, who made the call, was absolutely hysterical at first (as you would be), and just kept shouting “He’s been stabbed!”, the name of the road, “help me” and “oh my god, there’s blood everywhere”. Fortunately, she’d called from a landline, so I cheated and grabbed the full address from that, and police and ambulance were immediately dispatched, giving me a bit of leeway in deciding what to do next. After establishing that the attacker had scarpered, I got the caller and her female friend to try and get the bleeding under control with an assortment of cloths and tea towels. The friend did this, while the girlfriend stayed on the phone. She calmed down a little once this had been done, and I was able to go through the rest of the questions. Despite being terrified and still crying her eyes out, she still managed to answer me (between “aarghs” and “oh god help he’s dying”s). Her boyfriend was indeed in a bad way, unconscious with multiple deep stab wounds to the chest and back. He’d been breathing at the start of the call, but I wasn’t sure this would last long, so I asked if he was still breathing now.

“Erm,” she said “I don’t know… I think he just took a breath… he’s not breathing now… aargh! help! Wait, he took a breath…”

This kind of breathing-not breathing-breathing thing is known as “agonal breathing”, and is what happens immediately before someone dies. I knew it was time to get ready for CPR. But the girlfriend was upset enough as she was, would she be together enough to do it?

At that point I heard a relatively calm voice in the background telling the caller to give her the phone. I guessed this belonged to a neighbour and felt relieved — she would be detached enough to either do CPR herself, or take control of the situation and get one of the others doing it right. I happily left Distraught But Helpful Girlfriend give her the phone.

You’ve guessed it, the neighbour was The Interrupter.

“Look!” she said crossly, “we’ve already called the ambulance - and police as well! Just get here! *click*”

Disaster.

I called back twice, leaving messages asking them to call back straight away, but no-one answered and no-one called back. The FRU was on scene a few minutes later, and the patient was in respiratory arrest. By the time the patient was blued into hospital, the patient had been in asystole (”flatline” — in other words, very little hope) for twenty minutes. He was pronounced dead in hospital.

From the crew’s reports, it seemed very unlikely that the patient would have survived, even with immediate CPR — “skewered” was the word they used to describe him. Nonetheless, in situations like these, we always like to feel that we did everything we could for the patient and gave him every possible chance, and thanks to the Interrupter, that wasn’t possible here.

Published Aug 04, 2006 -

24 Comments on “The Interrupter”
  1. Neil Says:

    I think this is as much to do with education about what 999 is for as it is dealing with idiots.

    Until I started reading your blog, I really wasn’t aware that Emergency Dispatch did as much over the phone diagnostic and first aid as you frequently describe. 999 is frequently painted in the media as being no different in process to a pizza delivery service: call, place your order, give your details and hang up. I can’t remember the level of medical advice you give over the phone being depicted in The Bill or any other mainstream TV or film.

  2. Batsgirl Says:

    Oh Boy.

    You really do need that 360 complaints system don’t you?

  3. Spike Says:

    Crying shame some passerby didn’t give The Interrupter a smack in the earhole.

    Didn’t The Bill used to do the “Ambulannce! Now!” thing? Now I think they avoid all that by cutting to another scene or something. Not that I watch it much now. It’s gone downhill something cruel.

  4. Stuart Bell Says:

    I agree with Neil — it’s Mark’s blog that has taught me about the first aid advice that the good folks at 999 give to callers. Back in secondary school, we were given demonstrations of how to make 999 calls — but it was explained to us that we give our telephone number, address, name and the reason for the call … and that’s it.

    However the downside to this excellent — and often lifesaving — service of talking people through first aid, is that it stops the calltaker, well, taking other calls. The only time I’ve had to call the ambulance service, I was in a queue for no less than 5 minutes, with the BT operator occasionally saying, cheerily, “Sorry to keep you waiting”. Being kept on hold for 5 minutes is a pain when calling my bank, but when ‘phoning 999 it’s surely a potential disaster. Are long queues quite a common occurrence in the middle of the day, or was I just really unlucky?

  5. Mark Myers Says:

    5 minutes is very rare — it sometimes gets that long on very hot days (like the ones we’ve had recently) and pub closing time at weekends, but normally people get straight through.

    Totally agreed on the 999 education point too. Even Casualty does the “15 High St, Holby, ambulance now *click*” thing. Don’t these programmes do any research?? If they showed a proper 999 call once in a while, people would know what to expect. The only TV programme I have ever seen dealing with 999 education in a useful way was, wait for it, The Tweenies. Perhaps this explains why children are the best callers of all!

  6. Steve Says:

    I have to say I agree with Neil and Stuart - prior to reading this (excellent) blog I thought that the 999 operator was just took details to pass on. It is only now that I realise what an important link in the chain you are.

  7. AFC 30K Says:

    As a first aider at work we were taught be St John. They were very good about teaching how to take control of a scene, how to spot the idiots and always - unless directed otherwise - stay on the line until the ambulance arrives. We were taught to try and find a job for the interupter, like go and stand in a corner somewhere and look important….

    The last 999 call I made for an ambulance was a truck Vs bike accident. By the time the ambulance arrived there was me and a bloke how taught first aid at work and 4, yes 4, other registered first aiders had stopped with their first aid kits at the ready. We thanked them politely and sent them on their way. There were so many cars stopped to help we were afraid the calvery wouldn’t be able to get through! Anyway, with the exception of cuts, bruises & shock the cyclist was ok.

  8. Spikey Says:

    this blog is one of the best 999 call teaching aids i know. I’ve learnt so much :o) Thanks, Spikey

  9. Mark Myers Says:

    Glad to be of some use :-)

    I appreciate the Interrupters don’t know how the 999 system works, but if they were prepared to listen for five seconds, I would be able to tell them “we’re arranging help while I’m talking to you”. That’s the third thing I say to callers (after “what’s wrong?” and “what’s the address?”) and the first thing I say if someone new comes on the line. Interrupters are the type of people who always think they know better than you and want the first word, the last word and all the words in between.

  10. Carmelo Alongi Says:

    Geez. Big stuff.

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  12. Kieran Says:

    I don’t catch many TV adverts, but if there hasn’t been one recently a “999 education” campaign sounds desperately necessary.

  13. Dave M Says:

    I saw a Interrupter the other week, pulled the phone out of a mad screaming girl. and almost calmly started talking. and it basicly went like this. man with ‘injury type to injury area’ at ‘ almost full address no postcode’ aged XX.
    and stayed on the phone until the ambo arrived.

    I bet that a Interrupter you would like to see.

  14. GJ Says:

    You need a UK version of the 1980s TV show “Emergency 911.” Hosted by William Shatner, this show dramatized the emergency services response to real emergencies, including portions of the actual tapes of the 911 calls. Thus it was very clear that the operator stays on the line to provide assistance to the callers until the ambulance arrived. I always thought the regional differences in how operators handled distraught callers was interesting; New York city operators would take an authoritarian tone, while Dallas operators were usually very calm and comforting. “NO! Don’t touch the knife!” (that is sticking out of the victim’s chest) versus “Nooo, honey, don’t pull the knife out.”

    The best call, though, was the dog that called 911 for itself when it was home alone and needed rescuing.

  15. Kathryn Says:

    We did have a show called ‘999′ in the UK - dramatised versions of emergency calls. I don’t know it it’s still on, but I watched it growing up. They’d often focus on the callers who took instructions over the phone, so the role of the operator was quite clear. They often interviewed operators too, if I recall.

    It was fascinating and inspired me to take basic first aid classes a a kid.

  16. tjwood Says:

    Mark,

    Is there any chance you can get hold of a recording of a typical ambulance 999 call (if there is such a thing), from start to finish, and put it online somewhere? (Either a real call, or as realistic a mock-up as possible?)

    I think it would be really useful to actually hear what one sounds like… reading about them is one thing, but hearing one would be even better…

  17. Stuart Bell Says:

    Maybe when on hold, between speaking to the BT operator and getting through to the NeeNawers, soothing music should be played to callers. I used to be involved with hospital radio, and was always amused at how many patients requested The Verve’s 1997 number one chart hit…

    More seriously, at times when there _is_ a queue, maybe useful recorded information could be played whilst callers are waiting to get through? This might include a short announcement explaining how the call process works, or even information on “What to do if the patient isn’t breathing…”.

  18. TheMiddle Says:

    In answer to above, nope we can not release live 999 calls to the public due to data and patient confidentialty.
    Mark i sympathise, as an EMD, Dispatcher, and now trainer i’ve had it all before.
    Calming techniques work most the time and we even send our EMDs on courses just to do this, it helps them gain, and keep, control of the conversation. Simple stuff like giving and action with a reason. : You need to give me your address so i can help you and your child. etc etc

    Bloody do-gooders think there helping your right by saying its all been incorrectly portrayed by the media, and education in this area is lacking.
    The last 9’s advert is saw was to get out of the way for ambo’s driving on blues - which is pretty obvious really. Think its a very good idea to get some proper education out there.

    Lol just above me - i think the whole system should be replaced with an answermachine. 1 for abdo pains 2 for allergies etc 32 for unknown problem * to hear this list again!! Erm not really.

    Laters all
    themiddle.blog.co.uk

  19. Bob Says:

    A useful phrase for an interuptor or someone who’s getting in the way “Don’t just do something, stand there!!” (as opposed to don’t just stand there, do something) Seems to work a treat, I’ve never yet had someone figure out what you’ve actually said, and like you say they go off and do their importand job such as “wait until you see the ambulance and then do your best impression of a windmill.”

  20. Defibrilator Says:

    Interupter? More like w@nker

    I’m three weeks from taking calls for ambulances. :-)

    Defib :-)

  21. David Says:

    There are lots of things on the National Curriculum that don’t need to be there; unfortuneatly there are one or two important things missing.

  22. Craig D Says:

    Windmills have their place!

    At the one major First Aid incident I attended before joining St John (a collapse on footpath) I was praised by the ambo for my good work.

    I’d parked my car (relatively) safely, controlled the bleeding from the head wound and walked around the blind corner of the intersection to wave the ambo down when I heard it coming (so it didn’t have to hit the brakes hard like the 2nd attending ambulance!)

    Contrast this to the guy who turned up saying “I just wanted to see if you guys needed help” when there were two ambulances on scene, along with two first aiders! He got told to leave in no uncertain terms!

    Re the “move over for ambulances” ads, we don’t have any here and they are sorely needed! Although I think it needs to be more along the lines of “turn down your crap music and look in the rear view mirror once in a while”!

  23. Kiki Says:

    I rarely comment - not my field at all, for a start, and I’m just full of admiration for those who do work in it - but for once I find myself hoping that this time those involved, particularly Ms Interrupter, reads your blog and works out just who she is. Ok, as I see others have said, not everyone’s aware that the dispatchers can also give first aid instructions, but even so. Seems to me that hanging up on someone who can help takes a special kind of stupid.

  24. Ailbhe Says:

    Children are used to doing what they’re told without understanding why. It’s a normal part of life for them.

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