Here at the Nee Naw Service we have a wonderful invention called TAS, the Telephone Advice Service. Before TAS was invented, we had to send an ambulance to every call, no matter how trivial. Now, when someone rings up with a stomach ache or cut finger, instead of getting an ambulance straight away, they get a call back from a friendly ambulance technician or paramedic (otherwise known as “getting tazzed”). EMTs and paramedics come to work on TAS either as a secondment on a temporary basis or because they have some kind of injury that is keeping them off the road. The TAS person rings back the caller with the rubbish-sounding ailment and asks them a whole lot of more details questions (I don’t envy them this — you know how much callers love being asked questions, and you can probably guess that those making most pointless calls are those who demand an ambulance within five seconds). After assessing the patient, the TAS person can do any of the following:
1) Advise that the call is more serious than it appears and that an ambulance is sent on blue lights in a normal way.
2) Advise that the patient needs an ambulance to get them to hospital but not as an emergency case - the patient will have a long wait and may be dealt with by a non-emergency Patient Transport ambulance.
3) Tell the patient that they don’t need an ambulance and to make their own way to the hospital.
4) Tell the patient that they don’t need to go to hospital at all and give them advice about how to treat the illness/injury at home, including medications and calling out a GP.
If the patient insists they need an ambulance, TAS have the option of invoking the No Send policy, which means refusing the patient an ambulance. Apparently this only happens in something like 0.9% of calls, and only happens when the caller is being totally unreasonable, eg., demanding an ambulance for a spot on their nose. Most of the people called back by TAS are happy to do as they are told, and an ambulance is saved that way.
Unfortunately, for the last week or so, TAS have been AWOL. I don’t know where they have gone; perhaps they have gone to work in Santa’s Grotto as elves. No-one has bothered telling us. This means that all the rubbish calls have to receive ambulances, and us call takers are getting very frustrated because when we take a call about something stupid, we know someone somewhere with a genuine ailment is going to suffer because of it. Call takers aren’t allowed to tell people that they shouldn’t be calling or refuse an ambulance and if someone hears us doing so we get into trouble. Apparently, we have enough medical expertise to deliver babies and give CPR, but not to tell someone that they are a timewaster. This is the kind of frustration that has us chewing the back of our hands to prevent an explosion of increduality; once we hang up after the call we exclaim to the person sitting next to us “He wanted an ambulance for THAT?! Can you believe it!” and have to take a few deep breaths before launching into the next call.
It’s actually very difficult to take these calls without appearing rude, even if you follow the script word for word, like so:
Mark: Nee Naw Service, what’s the problem?
Girl: My baby won’t stop crying! She is teething!
Mark: Er, is there anything *wrong* with your baby? Do you think she might be ill?
Girl: No, she ain’t ill! She’s teething!
Mark: So, let me get straight - you want a ambulance because your baby is teething, and you’re sure there’s nothing else wrong?
Girl: I need some ‘ELP ‘ere! She won’t stop crying!
Mark: Okay then. (And I launch into our “catch all” sick person protocol, which attempts to identify if the patient has any of the “priority symptoms” we look for, and can sound quite oblique and nonsensical if they don’t). Is she conscious? Is she breathing? Is she breathing normally?…”
Girl: Well of course she is! There ain’t no need to ask sarky questions!
Mark: Nee Naw Service, what’s the problem?
Man: I’m at my friend’s house… his son has a rash. He’s had it four months and keeps going to the doctor but they aren’t doing anything about it!
Mark: Oh dear. So what’s the emergency now - what prompted you to call for an ambulance?
Man: I told you, they’re not doing anything about the rash!
Mark: Yes… but I mean, you’re calling for an ambulance now — did something happen to make you think this is becoming an emergency or are you asking for an ambulance for a rash that’s been there for four months? (A reasonable question, I think — what if the boy had suddenly developed a stiff neck and light sensitivity to go with the rash?)
Man: Right! Fine! Don’t send an ambulance then! You are just as bad as the GP! No-one will listen! What is your name? I am going to complain about you!
Mark: I never said I wasn’t going to send you an ambulance. I just wanted to be clear as to the reason you wanted one. And I’m afraid we don’t give out names - Nee Naw Service policy.
Man: Right! Then I shall report you for not giving your name too!
Other calls that have cropped up in the last week include a woman with “strange sensations in her knees” who decided to cancel the ambulance only when it turned up and was knocking on her door, a woman who had been out in high heeled shoes and given herself a painful blister and five billion cases of festive diarrhoea and vomiting.
Please come back TAS, all is forgiven.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:01 pm
Perhaps TAS has had to make room for the ‘Gold’ team?? Whats the atmosphere like up there? (cos it couldnt get any worse down here)
December 16th, 2005 at 5:31 pm
Not very festive, I have to say. I’m expecting some killer busy nights over the next few days.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
As for the woman with the teething baby - do you have a protocol for checking in those cases that she’s not calling because she thinks she’s in danger of harming herself or the child? I ask because I currently have a teething 11-month-old and I can imagine calling an ambulance for mental health reasons…
December 16th, 2005 at 5:50 pm
If she said “I think I am going to hurt my baby because she won’t stop crying” then we would send an ambulance out for her (not for the baby). If someone was to call for an ambulance for that reason, then they would have to say so. I think there would be an uproar if people rang saying “my baby won’t stop crying” and we asked “really? Do you feel like hurting it?” As with any call, we only send the ambulance out for the thing that it is requested for.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:03 pm
C’mon now…get it right…
With the teething baby it’s more like…
“Is she breathing normally?”
“No” (she’s crying)
Cue me turning up in a fast car to a(nother) CAT A DIB.
Love AMPDS and the way calltakers can’t stray from the script.
I’d get sacked from call taking within the first day methinks… Sad to hear morale is as poor up there as it is down here.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:15 pm
Oh, that drives me up the wall! WHEN are they going to change the question to “is she having difficulty breathing?” Do the makers of AMPDS have any idea how much time is wasted because of that stupid question? I sometimes wonder if any of them have ever set foot in a control room… or if “breathing normally” means something different in America…
December 16th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
I can just about hear the repeated thuds, as each call taker takes it in turn to bang their head on the desk……………
Better luck for the rest of the festive season!
December 16th, 2005 at 8:48 pm
Last week I got sent on a call to a lady having palpitations. Got there in 6 minutes, to be met with I’ve sent her in the car - the woman on the phone was wasting time asking questions!”
So the patient wasn’t that ill then…..
December 17th, 2005 at 11:17 am
Mark - TAS have been on a weeks training course for something hence they have not been in! And as they have also moved to the first floor we won’t see them anymore! From hearing how busy EOC has been I’m glad I’ve been off this week!! Happy Christmas mate!
December 17th, 2005 at 4:01 pm
Oh, is that where they’ve been? They were back last night but I don’t like them being upstairs. You don’t know what they are doing and if they don’t write on the log you don’t know if they’re still there or not!
Happy Christmas to you too! Do you have to work NYE and/or Christmas?
December 17th, 2005 at 6:11 pm
Did a bit of out of county work for LAS after the bombings.
Was astounded to be sent red to a “Women with foot injury”. Turned out she had a swollen foot that she’d been to her Dr about a week ago, apparently the pills he gave her “weren’t working” and “it was better to be safe than sorry”.
Bear in mind this was in the context of people being asked to lay off of dialling 999 unless it was a real emergency.
Apparently it couldn’t wait till tomorrow morning to make an appointment with her Dr, so we duly took her in.
Really irritated by it all, but as they say revenge is a dish best servered cold. On our last job of the night, 1am we save them in A&E, the staff there had made the lady and her husband wait for hours to be seen.
They indigently asked us “aren’t you going to take us home ? how do you expect us to get home ?”
I really excessively politely explained we only did one way trips and they’d have to sort themselves out. Perhaps they will think twice before dailling 999 again.
December 17th, 2005 at 6:28 pm
Ooh, calls like that make steam come out of my ears. I suspect that a lot of people dial 999 because they think they will be blued into hospital whatever is wrong with them and skip the A+E queue. Serves them right when they have to wait for hours. Especially if they have flu or diarrhoea or something. I bet they end up wishing they’d stayed in their nice, warm, comfortable bed.
December 17th, 2005 at 6:45 pm
“Man: Right! Then I shall report you for not giving your name too!”
This made me giggle like a loon for some reason. I can’t help but imagine it as a monty python sketch. Maybe it’s just me, but that’s a John Cleese line if ever I heard one.
Chin up. Christmas is coming!
December 17th, 2005 at 8:50 pm
Somehow they have confused the ambulance with a taxi service for medical reasons. I once did a shift in a pediatric ER, and there were three children brought in as unrestrained passengers in an MVA, one parent sent to the Trauma hospital, ther other to the morgue.
A woman and her daughter (who’d had a sore throat for several weeks) were there as well. Largely, and appropriately, ignored. Poor kid, she could have been resting at home, waiting to see her GP, but was witnessing broken bones and horrible road rash, and a lot of people running around. She had the grace to look embarrassed, the mother did not.
Amen for TAS, and a place for people to call and ask “Is this serious?” A good subject to teach in schools.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:10 am
I work as a Dispatcher for Westcountry Ambulance, and I’m always interested to read comments about the problems other services have with AMPDS. We’re one of the few Trusts still using CBD, but I fear it’s days are numbered. The joy of CBD is that there is no rigid ce set of questions, you can ask as few or as many as you see fit, and tailor the call to suit the situation. It is a fantastically flexible tool that enables us to use our skills and knowledge to filter out the crap without asking what can seem like stupid questions.
We also have Paramedics in the control room who use TAS to deal with some callers, but like yours, they seem to be very scarce at this time of year!!
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:44 pm
Mike and co have a nice Christmas, it looks like it is going to be busy, but hope you guys make it through the festive period with a sane mind.
We couldn’t survive without out you out there in the frontline, keep up the good work.
The Driving Instructor
January 1st, 2006 at 11:29 am
Triaging on OOH service - similar calls - similar inane questions about people’s ability to breathe.
Tried the NHS doctor blog - this is better - more real examples.
Happy 2006
January 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 am
I work for Police control and I have to say whenever we phone ambulance (who recently switched from CBD to AMPDS), we cringe.. because we know it’s going to be a very painful experience. Gone are the days of “Hello Amb! Your attendance please…” …. “Where to? What’s the problem? Whats yer ref? We’re rolling!”, oooh how all is forgiven!!
Now it’s “Hello Amb…. if it isn’t too much trouble for your new system, could we have your attendance please?” … “What’s happened?” ….. “RTC, 2 vehicles, road blocked, 1 trapped, no further details.” …… “Are they breathing?” … “No further details.” … “Are they breathing normally?” …. “No further details!!” …. “Are they conscious?” …. “NO ! FURTHER ! DETAILS !” … “Are they .. ARRRRRRRGH!
So as I say, come back the old way.. all is very much forgiven.
January 2nd, 2006 at 6:15 am
You’ll be glad to know that here in London, we don’t go through AMPDS with a third party caller if they say “no other details”. You’ll just hear a pause whilst we click “unknown” for every question!